This is from Vickie Paladino, who is a NYC councilwoman and it sums it up. This is in response to someone making the same housing question point. I've seen this scoffing at the housing question exclusively from upper class people:
"They just have no idea what's going on because they don't care what poor people are going through. And they think it's hilarious.
Allow me to explain reality now, because it's something the working class is dealing with here in NYC as well as the rest of the country.
No, illegal immigrants are not crossing the border and then outbidding affluent white people in upscale suburbs, you glib moron.
However, what they ARE doing is flooding the housing market at the bottom end. These are rental units that go to working class and low-income individuals of all races, and they're now having to compete with MILLIONS of new arrivals who require housing.
This alone is enough to overwhelm inventory and drive up prices, BUT it gets even worse.
Because these migrants are entering the market with government housing vouchers, which allow them to pay better than market rate in most cases. And this serves to drive up the cost of housing EVEN MORE -- simply eclipsing the struggling working-class Americans who also need housing but now cannot afford anything at all.
There are reports of this all over. We heard a lot about it firsthand from residents of Springfield, who were either priced out of the market entirely -- or even worse, forced to leave their apartments in order to make way for higher-paying migrants with a government voucher.
These Americans are being forced into homelessness thanks DIRECTLY to our border and migrant policy. And you people think it's funny.
Here in New York we're experiencing a similar housing crisis. Costs are through the roof and our constant importation of migrants is putting enormous pressure on the bottom end of the housing market. It's an absolute disaster here. And as a 'solution', the progressives are now trying to completely eliminate zoning regulations for the entire city, so low-income housing projects can be built literally anywhere by anyone, just to accommodate all the 'new arrivals' we're taking in.
Entire residential neighborhoods filled with middle-class families who've worked their entire lives for a small house in Queens are going to have their community become a completely unrecognizable slum within five years because progressive Democrats decided it's our moral obligation to take in an unlimited flood of unvetted third-world migrants and have no idea how to handle it now that they're here.
This is reality for working people right now. This is what we're facing thanks to Democrat policies.
I know you think it's hilarious that anyone even cares about any of this. But those of us who actually have to live with the terminal consequences of progressivism are getting fed up."
Insane. Struggling Americans being forced out of their own neighborhoods because their government is bidding up the price of every rental with vouchers paid for by tax dollars.
Our government goes out of its way to hobble the people of this country in favor of literally anyone who isn’t a citizen.
I was talking to a few women from Queens and they told me their neighborhood is overrun with prostitutes. Bensonhurst is also having a surge in crime. Talked to someone from Staten Island not long ago who said migrant shelters pop up all over his neighborhood and no one has any say in it. The people who say it’s not happening don’t live in those neighborhoods and conveniently ignore it.
Going on all over. Local government has to be getting paid off to save these things through. There was talk of that with the Springfield situation, but I’m not sure how much they found there.
what’s funny is that the Washington Posts entire audience is all in on Kamala and the Dems. they really don’t need convincing. what that article does is that it functions as a bunch of really fancy sounding arguments from proper “experts”, that their audience can easily parrot in spite of the basic logic of supply and demand.
cuz let’s face it, no one is looking at this problem economically. it’s just emotional hysteria masquerading as super smart sounding stuff for the Malcolm Gladwell folks…
I'm very vested in this topic for a multitude of reasons, and I find the biggest hurdle when trying to broach the topic with the average uninformed citizen is that they often erroneously think that "housing" and the "housing crisis" applies specifically to single-family home ownership. Yes, they talk about the rental market in the laughably fallacious article you dissected, but let's be honest - most people aren't going to read that. People aren't going to make even the barest attempt to educate themselves on a topic like this and if they do, at best they'll just take bite-sized scraps and talking points that strategically neglect to offer information of any substance.
I talked with my own father while he had the debate on in the background and he said, "Illegals aren't lining up to buy houses", as if single-family home ownership is the be-all-end-all of the term "housing", and doesn't also refer to a much broader scope including rental markets for single-family homes and multi-family housing units. Unfortunately, until more people realize that "housing" does not just refer to that one facet of the entire housing market, I don't think any meaningful progress is going to be made on the problem, and most people aren't going to understand the magnitude and severity of it. Especially people who already own homes and aren't competing for low-rent housing options, which is where currently where I see the worst of the problem is. I lived in a major American city before and shortly after 2021 and it was already a bloodbath of competition to find affordable housing before 2020. Post-lockdowns, it was untenable and I had to leave (not that I needed much convincing by that point.) It's brutal at the bottom and nothing short of abject cruelty, in my opinion, to put the most vulnerable and needy members of functioning society in such an needlessly competitive environment when they're already struggling.
As always, limousine liberals and AWFLs don’t have the faintest understanding of real world problems. Doesn’t impact them, so their boundless generosity allows to bathe in self-righteousness and absolution.
It's the equivalent of when Vance saying food prices went up and they retorted by saying "well NOT ALL categories of food went up". Immigrants impact the rental market which affects the housing market. It's a completely disingenuous argument and you have to have a lukewarm IQ to fall for it.
Your analysis identified several identical issues to the situation in the UK and Ireland, and probably most of northern Europe. The same interests that are assisting illegal immigration, and creating a perceived "demand" for unskilled or low-skilled legal immigration due to keeping wages so low that indigenous workers can't be attracted, are also in the business of buying up hotels and converting other buildings and then renting them out to the government for "asylum seekers" (ie illegal immigrants) at top dollar. It's a beautiful business model when you think about it. Oh yes, and the tax-payer funded "help to buy" schemes have been tried here several times, with entirely predictable consequences. More house price inflation. But who cares, it's only tax payers' money.
This is from Vickie Paladino, who is a NYC councilwoman and it sums it up. This is in response to someone making the same housing question point. I've seen this scoffing at the housing question exclusively from upper class people:
"They just have no idea what's going on because they don't care what poor people are going through. And they think it's hilarious.
Allow me to explain reality now, because it's something the working class is dealing with here in NYC as well as the rest of the country.
No, illegal immigrants are not crossing the border and then outbidding affluent white people in upscale suburbs, you glib moron.
However, what they ARE doing is flooding the housing market at the bottom end. These are rental units that go to working class and low-income individuals of all races, and they're now having to compete with MILLIONS of new arrivals who require housing.
This alone is enough to overwhelm inventory and drive up prices, BUT it gets even worse.
Because these migrants are entering the market with government housing vouchers, which allow them to pay better than market rate in most cases. And this serves to drive up the cost of housing EVEN MORE -- simply eclipsing the struggling working-class Americans who also need housing but now cannot afford anything at all.
There are reports of this all over. We heard a lot about it firsthand from residents of Springfield, who were either priced out of the market entirely -- or even worse, forced to leave their apartments in order to make way for higher-paying migrants with a government voucher.
These Americans are being forced into homelessness thanks DIRECTLY to our border and migrant policy. And you people think it's funny.
Here in New York we're experiencing a similar housing crisis. Costs are through the roof and our constant importation of migrants is putting enormous pressure on the bottom end of the housing market. It's an absolute disaster here. And as a 'solution', the progressives are now trying to completely eliminate zoning regulations for the entire city, so low-income housing projects can be built literally anywhere by anyone, just to accommodate all the 'new arrivals' we're taking in.
Entire residential neighborhoods filled with middle-class families who've worked their entire lives for a small house in Queens are going to have their community become a completely unrecognizable slum within five years because progressive Democrats decided it's our moral obligation to take in an unlimited flood of unvetted third-world migrants and have no idea how to handle it now that they're here.
This is reality for working people right now. This is what we're facing thanks to Democrat policies.
I know you think it's hilarious that anyone even cares about any of this. But those of us who actually have to live with the terminal consequences of progressivism are getting fed up."
Insane. Struggling Americans being forced out of their own neighborhoods because their government is bidding up the price of every rental with vouchers paid for by tax dollars.
Our government goes out of its way to hobble the people of this country in favor of literally anyone who isn’t a citizen.
I was talking to a few women from Queens and they told me their neighborhood is overrun with prostitutes. Bensonhurst is also having a surge in crime. Talked to someone from Staten Island not long ago who said migrant shelters pop up all over his neighborhood and no one has any say in it. The people who say it’s not happening don’t live in those neighborhoods and conveniently ignore it.
Going on all over. Local government has to be getting paid off to save these things through. There was talk of that with the Springfield situation, but I’m not sure how much they found there.
what’s funny is that the Washington Posts entire audience is all in on Kamala and the Dems. they really don’t need convincing. what that article does is that it functions as a bunch of really fancy sounding arguments from proper “experts”, that their audience can easily parrot in spite of the basic logic of supply and demand.
cuz let’s face it, no one is looking at this problem economically. it’s just emotional hysteria masquerading as super smart sounding stuff for the Malcolm Gladwell folks…
Like a daily mantra that gets released to help them preserve their baseless sense of superiority.
100%
I'm very vested in this topic for a multitude of reasons, and I find the biggest hurdle when trying to broach the topic with the average uninformed citizen is that they often erroneously think that "housing" and the "housing crisis" applies specifically to single-family home ownership. Yes, they talk about the rental market in the laughably fallacious article you dissected, but let's be honest - most people aren't going to read that. People aren't going to make even the barest attempt to educate themselves on a topic like this and if they do, at best they'll just take bite-sized scraps and talking points that strategically neglect to offer information of any substance.
I talked with my own father while he had the debate on in the background and he said, "Illegals aren't lining up to buy houses", as if single-family home ownership is the be-all-end-all of the term "housing", and doesn't also refer to a much broader scope including rental markets for single-family homes and multi-family housing units. Unfortunately, until more people realize that "housing" does not just refer to that one facet of the entire housing market, I don't think any meaningful progress is going to be made on the problem, and most people aren't going to understand the magnitude and severity of it. Especially people who already own homes and aren't competing for low-rent housing options, which is where currently where I see the worst of the problem is. I lived in a major American city before and shortly after 2021 and it was already a bloodbath of competition to find affordable housing before 2020. Post-lockdowns, it was untenable and I had to leave (not that I needed much convincing by that point.) It's brutal at the bottom and nothing short of abject cruelty, in my opinion, to put the most vulnerable and needy members of functioning society in such an needlessly competitive environment when they're already struggling.
Well said. I don’t think most people are really grasping the issue unless they’re at the bottom, and then they’re knee-deep in it.
About 2 migrants are crossing the border every minute. Let me know when we can build a dwelling for two people in a minute, bezos.
Maybe that is why bezos and the feds are content to let Americans die in the aftermath of Hellene?
Seems like we’re headed for Amazon/Google-built Judge Dredd style mega structures of housing projects.
Warehouse the poor (which will at some point be everyone) in one place and extract every bit you can from them.
Meanwhile Blackrock and Warren Buffet have been buying up trailer parks to jack the rent, to the cheers of progressive liberals apparently.
As always, limousine liberals and AWFLs don’t have the faintest understanding of real world problems. Doesn’t impact them, so their boundless generosity allows to bathe in self-righteousness and absolution.
It's the equivalent of when Vance saying food prices went up and they retorted by saying "well NOT ALL categories of food went up". Immigrants impact the rental market which affects the housing market. It's a completely disingenuous argument and you have to have a lukewarm IQ to fall for it.
Your analysis identified several identical issues to the situation in the UK and Ireland, and probably most of northern Europe. The same interests that are assisting illegal immigration, and creating a perceived "demand" for unskilled or low-skilled legal immigration due to keeping wages so low that indigenous workers can't be attracted, are also in the business of buying up hotels and converting other buildings and then renting them out to the government for "asylum seekers" (ie illegal immigrants) at top dollar. It's a beautiful business model when you think about it. Oh yes, and the tax-payer funded "help to buy" schemes have been tried here several times, with entirely predictable consequences. More house price inflation. But who cares, it's only tax payers' money.